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From Joe, golfer:
Out of nowhere, I am starting to hit the ball off the toe of the club with my irons, producing pulls and shots off to the right. I am also topping the ball. I am a low handicapper and this has me baffled. This past winter I've been using a weighted Momentus swing trainer. I've heard that this could have started this disaster. Any help would be appreciated.
PGA/LPGA TEACHING PROFESSIONAL RESPONSES:
California
"Joe - I have seen this happen many times due to improper use of a training aid without guidance from an accredited professional. Whenever you are practice swinging and do not see the results of the swing (ball flight) you do not realize the incorrect moves you are incorporating into your swing. The weight of the training aid has forced you to overuse your upper body rather than use your lower body more (as it was intended). In the future, only use an aid like this in conjunction with hitting balls so you don't ingrain bad habits.  If you are a single digit handicapper, chances are you have a good set of fundamentals so getting back on track shouldn't be too difficult. Go back to your teacher or review any notes and/or drills you have had from previous lessons. That should get you back to pre-winter form. Good Golfing." - Kati Biszantz, Teaching Professional
Colorado
"Dear Joe: Sounds like your training swings have resulted in your downswing being initiated too much with the shoulders. The result is an out-to-in swing path through impact (as revealed by your pulled shots), an angle of approach which has become too steep (as revealed by your topped shots), and difficulty in releasing the club properly through impact (open clubface producing shots curving right). 
The likely fix is to emphasize the feeling of starting your downswing with your ARMS FIRST, almost as if your shoulders do not begin turning through until the club is halfway down. Try to visualize the club head approaching the ball on an ARC FROM THE INSIDE. Swing the training club with your FEET TOGETHER (feet touching - don't cheat!), if you're swinging with too much body and not enough with your arms it will be difficult to stay in balance!" - William Kipp, Teaching Professional
Connecticut
"Hi Joe: Sounds like you are coming over the top. If you are using the Momentus make sure you allow the club to drop inside before you turn. You may be using to much body before the club starts down.  The transition between back swing and forward swing is to quick so your upper body gets ahead of the club swing. Good luck!" - Sherri Keller, Teaching Professional
Florida
"You are not getting behind the ball on your back swing. All of your symptoms are consistent with this." - Joe Sciortino, Teaching Professional
Indiana
"Sounds like your swing is getting too upright. Upright swings produce toe shots. Flat swings produce heel shots. Being upright would also explain the pulling of your shots if you close the clubface at impact and pushing your shots if you leave the clubface open at impact. I suggest you hit balls on a side hill with the ball above your feet. It will promote a flatter swing plane and allow you to approach the ball from inside the target line before impact." - Jeff Mathew, Teaching Professional
Minnesota
"Don’t know about the swing trainer – I like the ‘fan’ - but your problem can be fixed by allowing the clubface to rotate closed on the followthru...You’re trying to push the face AT the target for some reason." - Phil Hurrle, Teaching Professional
Minnesota
"Use the Momentus only for half or quarter swings; like chip shots. You just want to strengthen your hands and arms in the hitting area." - Jim Manthis, Master Professional
Nevada
"Dear Joe: Glad to hear you worked on adding strength training to your swing using a Momentus trainer. The good news is that you probably built body mass and added strength (i.e., club speed through impact). The bad news is lost synchronization between your shoulders and hands. For a player of your level to be hitting, bad toe impact shots, pull hooks, blocked right hits and toped shots, your hands are lagging behind the shoulder turn, as you hit through the ball. The result is a shorter lever length (effective left arm and club extension length-from swing center-to the ball). You need to get back on track with your hands and shoulders staying linked from take away to the top, and down through impact out to your finish position. My favorite drill is to invert a normal club and grip the shaft with your normal grip just above the hosel. Now stand straight upright and hold the club so the grip is parallel to the ground and right in front of you, with hands chest high and club extended straight out. Begin making slow swings with a swing plane that remains parallel to the ground. slowly swing and hinge the club to the top of this "Backswing" and through the impact zone (right in front of you) to the "Finish Position". As you feel your shoulders and hands become more synchronized with this drill, you can increase your swing speed until you find a release position right out in front of your chest. you should hear a loud wooosh at this point when you get your club speed maximized out front and not early or late. By removing the weight of the club with this drill, you will soon get that feeling of being synchronized (hands and shoulders), throughout the swing back in your game. This drill can be practiced as a warm up as you start outdoor practice sessions as the New England spring weather allows. Make sure to hit thousands of wedge shots this spring, particularly with 1/2 and 3/4 swing lengths to control distance. Practicing these shots with less than a full length swing will help you get back to swinging  vs. hitting. Remember your swing will work best when it is most efficient. Even though we watch today's tour stars on TV hitting their irons unthinkable distance, remember to always pull a club that your swing can control, efficiently whether its a full distance shot or if you are taking a little off when between clubs. Avoid the temptation to take the lesser iron all spring and you will see your ball striking ability and consistency return. Always envision the solid feel of a pured shot with your selected club, as part of your pre-shot routine! Good luck and good practice and play!" - Tony Parenti, Teaching Professional
New York
"Are you maintaining the flex in your knees thru the shot? And check your address position! You are not getting a consist solid hit. Sounds like you may have too much movement trying to hit the ball rather than maintain and the swing and let the hit happen!" - Alex Kirk, Teaching Professional
North Carolina
"Joe: You may want to take a look at how far you are standing from the ball and also check your ball position to make sure that you don't have it to far back in your stance. Also check yourself to make sure that you aren't doing a reverse pivot during your swing." - Ben Hynson, Teaching Professional
South Carolina
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Hi Joe: Swinging with a weighted club can change your tempo, it also strengthens both your hands. It sounds like you are giving it a little more right hand than needed. Try not grounding your clubs for a while. Just wait until you feel the head weight of the club before you start your back swing. Remember hold the club about an inch off the ground in your regular set up position. Hope it helps." 
- Sean Carey, Teaching Professional
South Carolina
"Joe: You are most correct in your analogy. Here you are an athlete who has done well at every measure. First, Golf is not a hand to eye coordination sport or you would be scratch or better. The Momentus trainer is designed to lessen that. You damn sure cannot swing it as you usually swing a club, you must let it drop on its own more. And, that feels good, does it not? Gravity is the key. Gee, Joe I would like to tell you my secret but individuals need individual attention. Go to doctorgolf.homestead.com. You may find it there, if not call Warner Hedrick in Groton or take the
bull by the horns and let me help." - Michael Lucas, Teaching Professional
Texas
"Joe: Sounds like you are using the Momentus incorrectly. It is supposed to help you build golf muscles which increases your ability to not have to use your hands. The hands are the only body parts that influence the club face. So if you are hitting tops and toes your right hand is manipulating the face at impact causing the toe to go inside of the ball a little for the toe and lots for the top. Use your Momentus to hit chip shots and small swings and feel that all the hands really do is hold the club. The body provides the power. Then with a regular club continue to rely on the body for power not the hands. Good Luck." - Dave Baron, Teaching Professional
Texas
"I will assume that you are right handed. My first guess would be that you have made a habit of rolling or whipping the club open with your right hand, that is pulling the club inside your swing plane almost immediately at take away. This would certainly be the reason you would come over the top and hit everything on the toe of the club. Probably more so with longer clubs. When you get tired of doing that I am sure you pull up or back and then you top it. If all that is due to swinging a weighted club I don't know. I would practice my take away indoors preferably in a hall way where you can see the club face looking at the target longer. Let me know if this helps. Good Luck!"
- Wiley Osborne, Teaching Professional
Texas
"Joe: There are only five reasons why you could hit off the toe: 1) standing too far away. 2) clubs are too short. 3) swing is too steep. 4) arms are pulling in. 5) somehow you are leaning away from the ball. Best of luck." - Mark Moore, Teaching Professional
Texas
"My friend: First, look at your posture, are you in an athletic posture where the club hangs naturally or are you reaching for the ball? Next, when you find posture, move to or away from the ball, don't bend or reach for it. Momentus...great for loosening up and the added weight will strengthen golfing muscles, but this could cause a over the top action. Use the Momentus with a qualified PGA teaching professional who stresses creating proper path naturally from proper "body first" usage. Can't find one, come see me in Corpus." - Bob Hasbrouck, Teaching Professional
Virginia
"Being that you are a low handicapper and have been using the Momentus Swing Trainer this past winter, leads me to believe that the club is approaching the ball on a far too shallow path  from the inside. The toe shots result from a loss of spine angle at impact that could be caused by getting the heavy club too far behind you. The pulled shots occur when you over compensate with the hands in an effort to square the clubface. A good exercise would be to take a small box or office trash can and place it about 2 feet to the right of the middle of your right foot. As you swing down try to feel the arms and club fall out more in front of your body. You will feel like you are coming over the top of the ball, but at the same time more clearing of the hips and less "jammed up" at impact."
- Charles Will, Teaching Professional
Virginia
"I have had students who have had the same problem as you, and in every case they have set their weight on the heels instead of the balls of their feet at address. This can cause a slight movement away from the ball as you approach impact, make an effort to set your weight on the balls of your feet and not on your heels and keep it there during your swing. Hope this helps."
- Terry Hummel, Teaching Professional